You think that's tough? Imagine having the same exact views but going to a christian school. Regardless, I'm overwhelmed with joy that there are thinkers like you that I can relate to. Google "The Atheist Delusion", it's a parody of circular logic.

hey dude, kudos to you for speaking out. personally i believe in the bible, but i also agree that much of it has been tampered with and distorted through time, translation, and corrupt church figures. i just have my own reasons for having faith. but hey, to each his own, right? anyways, more power to you.

I really need 2 thank u 4 putting this up. Im sick and tired of those religion-loving freaks who wear the shirts about Jesus and the Bible and then thinking they're always right. They don't even act Christian! Some of them are pricks (excuse my French) and they're uber-religious parents say it's fine and that God (Yahweh, Allah, whatever floats ur boat) won't care. Then they whine about Dan Brown's books (Da Vinci Code, etc.) for stupid things and every Catholic on the face of the Earth has to cry a river about how something is "anti-religious". So, thanks 4 letting me post my rant.

dude, youre seriously awesome. that basically sums up what i have to go through everytime i debate a religious/conservative about ANYTHING. they always drag the bible into it. and then they use the bible to back up what they are saying about the bible...with no proof otherwise. mad props bro.

I go to a Christian school. I got a detention for saying religion is a complete waste of time. Stupid catholics.

wow lol your a dumb shit, you also readed about evolution theory but can you show me proof of its excistants?

i personly dont believe the bible, i think its some dumb shit, but they can also say it bout what we believe, its no that what you believe changes you as a person but you make it sound like all chatolics are dumb shits for not believing the'rigth' theory

I was sitting in social studies class, and the lessons aim is "Science VS Religion". I got extremely excited as I love arguing with teenagers since their usually ignorant and have a dead end logic.

you your self are a teenager, and a pretty dumb one

Hey good job for speaking your true opinion when you were asked. Funny how a catholic would have a problem with evolution though. The catholic church stated that biological evolution doesn't discount divine creation (long ago, Pope Pius XII), it just discounts the biblical timeline which was already torn to shreds before Darwin. So that girl doesn't even know her own religion's stance on the issue. Catholics are (should be) just fine with evolution.

Although I feel for you, make sure you read up on anything you claim to believe. Evolution has plenty of facts to back it up and is a theory grounded in sound logic so that's not hard. But just don't accept anything that's secular or scientific either, question everything.

Doubt sets free the truth that sets you free.

who u?

I am Cathiloc. We don't act the way some people say it. We don't go around wearing shirts with beliefs on it. We are just normal people too. We just do things a little differently.

I am with Saltshaker. He knows what he's talking about. So kindly screw you =)

What a bunch of bullshit!!
"I think Adam and Eve is true and the evolution isn't"
what a stupid bitch!
I mean what's wrong of being related of monkeys?!
maybe we're even related to some kind of alien race!
I've got nothing against people who are relegious and shit.
but to say that the evolution is fake?!
it's been proven a million times you stupid ballshit fuck whore!!!!
the bible and koran are just a bunch of legends and stories which are supposed to help you with something, it's never been said that you actually have to live by it.

I wish I could do that when I had the chance (when I studied in a school that had religion class), but I was a little delusional at the time =/
Lol I just found a comic about circular thoughts (thanks, Kenney!):
http://www.jeffcohenstudio.com/bagoft oast/BOT71frame.html
You could show that

I was raised in a Catholic family, but taught above all alse that we should believe what we want/ I was schooled in a Catholic school and taught these things, yet always encouraged to think for ourselves. As an athiest myself, I'm thankful for being born into a Catholic family, and given the freedom to choose for myself in a way that many other offshoots of christianity and other religeons don't have. To be raised atheist, however, I believe is the bigest sin. Atheist familys are even worst than catholics for spouting their own misinformation.
No one is quite sure exactly how we came to be, not the scientists, definitely not the religeous folks, but I believe that we shoudl look into it all on an individual basis. If some airhead in your class beleives in fairy tales, you should let her, its not like it affects or upsets you (and if it does, surely thats just as bed as them being upset by your views).
And on a lighter note, a version of Adam and Eve might nto be too far off the truth - genetic evidence provides evidence that all men on the planet did indeed once share the genetic code of one type of male (or jsut a man :p) and all women share the same genetic code of one woman - problem is - this man and this woman lived around 100,000 years apart :D
I like to make my own informed choices - once scientists prove beyond doubt of where we come from (I currently believe in evolution, although there are some holes i'd like plugged in the theory) I'll gladly go with proof - however, if Jesus one day decides to come down and prove without a shadow of a doubt that god laid fossils down to test the scientists ( :p ) then I'll probably go with the J man.
I'm the kind of guy who likes proof - and at the moment, its the scientists who have the most :)

I have to say that you're right and wrong at the same time.

I'm personnaly an extreme atheist, like my whole family, and one of my best friends is a protestant and a huge believer in God; and he's actually preparing a diploma in biology and natural sciences, including evolution. And even if I don't believe on his God and his studies are in contradiction with his religion, he accepted it and he is never offended to see or hear some people who don't agree with what he believes.

Same things happen for Muslims, Jews, Buddhists or whatever else.
The girl you mentioned in your post was actually or totally unaware of the actual world or really, really beliving in God, but I think she was just stupid.
Anyway, catholics or not, the people ideology and way of thinking make them what they are; let's see Emos, Gothics, Otakus... Those guys don't believe in a God or a super-powered entity, but they could be total jerks and/or best guys in the world.

In conclusion, the most important is the people, not in what they believe.
(and excuse if I made some horrible typos, I'm not really good in English)

Well, I can see why they want to change the world for the better & all, but I feel like they don't respect other people's belive's. You know?

It's not just Catholics is pretty much all of them.

Oh well, no big deal :)

Well I was born in a catholic family, I had baptism and stuff like that, but after all that so called sacred stuff I'm not very religious.
I respect that these people have faith in god, but I have learned that praying for god's mercy is not the way to solve problems. I respect the godly figures and the traditions that catholics have, but it does not mean I'm going to fall on my knees and start praying teary-eyed.

But when people like that stupid b***h say that evolution is fake while their theory is even less possible. Damn! I mean Jesus Chirst!( Well that was catholic :3 ) I hate people who lunge at you with foam coming trough their mouths just as you seem to doubt his/her religion. And yes, completely relying on the bible is a dumb idea, It has been rewritten and translated many times trough time. Religion is more like support base for many people, praying they feel that god has given them strength to go on. I they want to pray then: "Please by all means!" "But keep me out of it!"

Wow, this one really hits home. I sit next to a guy in my Maths class and he is catholic. Not really that suprising since the school I go to is Catholic anyway (just so you know, i dont believe any religion, and never plan to). I only go there because its the best college in the area. If it wasnt for my girlfriend in there and the fact that you have the best teachers in the world working there I would leave. Anyway, Im shocked to hear one day during lesson we was having a maths debate (yes, we were debating about maths) like you would normally do in maths and he came up with the conclusion of Jesus. He said Jesus is the answer to everything. Well, it would be nice to put down 'Jesus' on a particular question in maths that you couldnt understand but the point is THAT IS SO WRONG.

Im sorry if anyone is Catholic or religious in any way but a belief is a belief - it is called a belief because you believe in it - meaning that it is your choice to believe it or not - meaning that there is no solid fact for it. Wow, that is a lot of believing...
Its the same for science, a theory is just like another religion - when (and only when) it is proven, then you can make fun of the guys that couldnt believe in it (well not really if you were dead but you get what I mean).

Anyway back to the Jesus guy. He attends mass in the morning before lectures - literally praying with an old pervert whilst the old man gets his cock out and jesus guy sucks on it. Sorry for the really bad mental image Ive just planted into your head but with christianity that doesnt happen - just one day, sunday, going to church in the morning and thats it. EVERY MORNING GETTING A DIFFERENT SPEECH EACH TIME IS COMPLETLY POINTLESS. the guy just goes over exactly the same things but puts it in different words.

Well I think thats enough of me ranting now, I think I should stop, even though Ive only just touched the tip of the iceberg.

Not being based off facts is faith, which you either do or don't have veiwed upon as by the christians, The girl in the story is extremely uninformed, and leads a bad name for the christian faith as most do, And there really is no hard case evidence of evolution, you can't take me back and show me it happen, therefore I can't believe it, but you could say the same for christianity correct? Wrong, thats where faith comes in, and as i earlier stated, you either have it or you don't.

Please don't be offended im just iving my point of view.

Im a Christian

But me thinks like WTF a guy comin out nowhere who creates the Earth and says let there be mothaf*ckin light.

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I go to a catholic school, but only because my mom wants me to. I dont believe in any of the catholic stuff though. It says that "Jesus" Appeared at around the year 0, and he could level a mountain with the swipe of his hand... What I dont get is If there was "God" back then and he lived forever, why isn't there a presnt day Jesus? I just think all of it is a huge load.

That guy is an idiot. dinaosaurs are purple like barney : D

hahah naaaaah,, im jjust fucking with you.

well I am christian, very religious dude, but that doesnt mean that I am an ignorant retard, I obviously know and believe in evolution. I, as a christian, THInk also that the adfam and eve thing is all made up. but its ok not to believe in it.

Personally I hate also that kind of people that THINK all in the world is religion without LOGIC. i hat them.

Gotta go dude, stay awesome and stay REASONABLE.

p.s and dont be an ass, there are many christians here, so as stupids out there.

p.s.2: sorry for my shitty english, mexican here

I agree. It seems like every religion thinks that THEIR religion is the ONLY right one. Well, guess what? THERE ALL WRONG! I found proof that evolution is real.

-Primates, such as gorillas, chimps, and orangutans all have 24 DNA Chromosomes
-Humans only have 23.
-Humans have ONE chromosome that has double the regular parts of a normal chromozome.
-Scientists prooved that a mutation happened in the process of evolution.
-MEANING: EVOLUTION IS REAL. ADAM AND EVE IS NOT.

And also, if God created EVERYTHING... WHAT created God? Well?
It seems WAY more probable that existence just HAPPENED, then something that didn't exist, created existence! I mean, for something to EXIST, EXISTENCE must have happened first. So this God could never have created all that exists. And PLUS: From what I know, religious people say that God helps the people of Earth, but what about other beings? There is almost NO chance that in this endless (or so it seems) universe that humans, animals, plants, and cells (such as germs, air particles etc.) are the only living thing that EVER existed. I seriously doubt that. Anyway, thanks for reading my science talk. And believe me CIA, you're right.

Nice! You are made of win when it comes to religion.
It's a good thing that my school has plenty Atheist/Not-renigion-crazy people. There was one, but she moved last year. She was a Harvest Babtist. *shutters*

Try saying that infront of a Croat like me, i'll make you regret that you have been born.

Now seriously, what the fuck is your problem?
You talk shit about an entire religion and it's believer because of a few individuals (teenagers... and i hate teenagers because they think they know everything, yet they don't know shit) that do not seem to get the point of religion (and i see you don't either...) The bible is nothing else than a PROPOSAL on how to live your life, it is not a book of rules, imagine me hitting myself with a whip everytime i sinned... sheesh. People that see the bible as a "book of facts" are not catholics, they're just religious fanatics, so don't mix that up! You won't see me shouting "fucking czechs" only because 70% of that country are atheists.

As for me, i do believe in God and Jesus, i do go to church but i am not a religious fanatic. Nobody i know is, so i don't see your point why you insult us. It makes no sense to complain about religion as it is not "seeing" thing, it's a "believing thing". The only religion i DO hate is the jewish one (they see every non-jew as animals, so called "goys" and so on, but that's a different story and has nothing to do with me being catholic).

Anyway, good night. 14/88

I am a catholic.. And I belive in mixed things.For Example.. Adam and eve... I see it more like a lesson to life... God says Dont eat that fruit and they eat it so he bans them from Garden of Eden. That could relate to our everyday things like "Clean ur room" and ur respons is "I dont wanna" and u mom goes "Well then no TV/Computer/Porn/whatever for u young man".

And all that u said about ppl brainwashed... thats soo fucking true.. I ahvea friend that is all liek "God Will protect me from whatever" JUMP OF A FUCKING BRIDGE ON SOME FUCKING ROCKS. Where is that GOD now? I think religion is more like a guide to how u should live ur life u know.. But ppl see it diffrently.. I belive there some some "MIGHTY Power dude" that watches over us... But still give us rules like "dont kill" "Dont FUCK before ur married"

Its all just a guide to live ur life. And the best part of it that U dont have to take the guide.. U can just roam freely around the world do what u want... That my shit to you man.. But yeah ur kinda right in everything there.. jsut dont be so hard on the RELIGION.. u should be HARD on the ppl that is fucked up.

Multiplied by 2... It all makes perfect sense.

I love you a lot.

well anything by a clock can't be counted as an actual comment. I don't care what you believe in. I've seen you write about you didn't give your stance on evolution STOP ASKING HIM ABOUT IT. another thing is i love arguing(debating) about anything i've seen both sides so i can give a full and well rounded opion. dead-end logic= retards= bible tumpin christans NOT JUST CATHOLICS. sorry but i've seen pordistance beat the living hell out of a strict catholic. you want to GO to heavean than don't pressure others to believe in what you do that's all.

In my opinion there is no god and there is no hell. We are all the rulers of our own destiny and life is made out of choices not faith. Some mens feel like they need a presence, something or someone with almighty powers to watch over them because they think they can't confront life all alone. It is in the nature of mens, since the very beginning to CREATE gods for war, thunder, fertility and many more...

I'm a strong atheist but I do believe in one thing and it's evolution, I've read a lot about it and with logic it all makes sense. I've enjoyed reading Nietzsche lately and his books realy join my point of view about religion.

I've got nothing against christians and other religions. If they let me live my life the way I chose it and I don't need to accomodate them in special way.

(Sorry for my english. I speak french and well I'm a little rusty by now)

I feel your pain...

im with u all da way

Yeah!
I used to have to go to church but I just said no one day and had a really big argument with my Mum.
and so now I am atheist!
and wan to keep it that way

I mean in prayers they say we have sinned and things like that.
and any christians here willing to say you dont know that your atheist so bla bla bla jesus bla bla bla adam bla...ARE WRONG!
cause I used to go to church cause my Mum made me (but not anymore) and they always say father we have sinned aand stuff like that.
But some of us have never done anything that would be considered a sin.
And when Jesus died to save the erase the sins of men he was commiting suicide for no reason! Thats like crashing in to the twin towers and saying that they did it to save the sins of men!Its crazy I tell you! The deciples who wrote the different chapters of the bible must have been real high on something.
and another point. you use the symbol of the very thing that killed Jesus as a religious symbol! That just like putting a guillotine in a church table of something and saying its holy!Another point to say that they were high.
and if someone says "From your mouth (or in this case key board) to Gods ears (or in this case forum)" I will type another random comment just to prove how high people can get back then.

thank you! im sick of "if you do not believe in this you go to hell!" or "you have sinned against mighty god!"...when they build god then i will talk

I been beaten up for saying crap like that. Man i hate those bigots

Yeah, I hate super-religious people to. Some people say "OH MY GOD HES POSSESSED BECAUSE HES NOT CHRISTEN BECOME ONE OF US NOW OR YOU WILL TOO!"
I respond"...um, that kinda means god is mean to someone because he didn't have proof that god exists... Doesn't that make god evil?" they retort "No, because he sends those who believe in him and his son go to eternal paradise." Me: "But he send trillions others to eternal torture which is cruel." Cristen: "yeah, but there are more christens than others, so its not that bad." Me: "Actually, without taking a world-wide poll, that most people are not christen.
In fact, modern Christianity is fairly new. So, according to you, all of the Founding Fathers were sent to Hell. Along with Archimedes, the greatest mathematician of all time." Cristen: "All I can tell you is that god isn't mean." Me: *jabs in foot* *leaves in disgust*

My school is Christen, but they say they aren't. Yeah, right. Non-Cristen schools give forced Bible classes to elementary students. Peh, my agnostic ass.

Also, think about it: If there were only two people in the beginning, then were all related somehow. I don't like the idea that my parents are distant cousins.

Atheists kick ass. That happens too much to us...

Thank God I thought I was the only one.It just gos to show you that there are people with common veiws.

Eventrough I am Catholic myself, I agree.
No-one has FUCKING proof they exist.

Well......nice rant but your can't let them get the best of you they'er just a$$es
i'm a native american "Indian" and i don't know what to belive Adam and Eve don't matter to me. but still life is hard you just have to find things out yourself Evolution,Jesus,Buda, or whatever you belive in i'm not trying to prove them wrong its in the past let it go it doesn't matter you just have to go through life and try to be the best person you can thats all that matters thats all that whatever god you have wants. and if there really is no after life then why just cause pain to others it might be there last day to exest you never know. life has a path the more you cause pain in some way at some point it will come back by a little bit or all of it at once its the same way with being nice and you never know when it will repay the pain or good might be tomorow might be the last hour of your life you just have to live life the best you can

Lol, I'm catholic, but personally I have nothing against you. I just hate it when religion gets in the way of science. We also had a debate in one of my classes about illegal immigrants in the U.S. Well since I live in Texas and there area lot of Mexicans here (me being one) it became pretty violent and, well funny.

I see where you are coming from because most Christian/Catholic Teens have no Idea how to back their faith.

I on the other hand can back it up without using circular logic.

Question: How did organic substances come into existence before when everything was non-organic?

(sorry for my english, i usualy speak french)
you might found this link interressing http://www.evilbible.com/

I know you're not but i am atheist. I respect those who belive in something, but not those who depend on a religion. The first religions were made to explain everything easier and faster. I think that science will someday totaly replace religion. (what if we did approve that the earth is flat without thinking, like they wanted we did lol)

It's maybe racist but... Science improve technology, look at what the musulman do with this technology! but its the same for usa! "god bless america" they say... like this is a excuse to conquer the world... Science and religion are an explosive mix.

I like your way of thinking.Personally I don't believe in god,but I don't understand why people keep opposing the science and the bible.I mean,what's the point?
Personnaly I think that if God existed,he would have creted the universe the way it is understood by the scientists(the infinite universe,the dinosaurs,the atoms,etc...).
If I'm not wrong,it is said in the bible that God is within everything,just like the atoms.So why God couldn't be within the atoms?Personally i don't believe it,but why not?It would put an end to many pointless arguings,and let people think of more important matters,like our future instead of our past.
And it would make both sides happy,which is also good :).

PS:Maybe you should read Dan Brown's second book,if you are interested.If I translate the title from french to english,it would be "Angels and demons",but I
don't know if it's the correct american title.This book proposes an interesting point of view about what I said earlier ;and there's also action and sex :D(just kidding,but i love that book;)).

PPS:As you probably already know,I am french,and this text is probably full of mistakes,so go easy on me :).

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sorry about my other comment,
my freind gave me 5 bucks to do that

but anyways, back to the point,
i beleve in evolution and all,
but the thing is, wher did it all come from?,
i'm not saying god is real or fake,
but that it is likely that he is real.

by the way, i like how you think teenager's are like that,
cuz i do to.

Hi, I'm what you'd call a "lazy catholic." As a Catholic, I saying that half the shit I hear I don't believe. A person with the ability to turn table scraps into a feast in like 3 seconds is as likely as rhetorical as giant lizards roaming the Earth only to be extinct by a giant meteor which caused the sky to grow cloudy for so and so amount of time. As you said, there's no real way to prove this stuff. Who KNOWS!?
Now I may piss off A LOT OF PEOPLE!! Discression is advised!!!
Here are a few questions for you:
Is Jesus real? If yes, was he white, black, asian, or puerto rican?
Does a dinosaur sink or swim?
How powerful could that comet have been? If very powerful, why isn't the Earth a mound of dirt?
Does life exist on Mars?
What is the purpose of life?
Who is God?
What is "enlightenment?"
Is space an infinite area of galaxies and planets?
Guess what!? All of these questions have the SAME ANSWER: We're not supposed to know the unfathomable! We can't prove many things on Earth. The best we do is stick to a path, and go down it until we die. We're NOT supposed to know what is true and false in our lives! The best we can do is say "O my goodness! Jesus must be real!! We have no REAL proof but whatever. Let's believe anyway," or "Dinosaurs and aliens are truly astonishing! They must be real!! We have some bones, and pictures, of unknown life. It's a dinosaur," or "Buddha is the best, man. Just meditate your actions, and reach enlightenment, dude. We have to because we weren't meant to have free will, man." We simply believe in it, help out humanity, and rest in a retirement home until WE DIE! I have nothing else to say. My rage is gone. Carry on with your belief, and I shall carry on with my belief.

I respect your Beliefs! The belief that RELIGOUN ITSELF IS BULLSH*T!
(Looks around for Religous people)
"Pulls out shotgun" Ha what can your God do to this?

But like you pointed out in the "evolution" bit about "Adam and Eve wasn't real, God did not create us" ive had similiar discussions over who created the Universe and this is what i said once some religous nuts expressed their retar*ed opinion. "Who do you think created the Universe? A mass conflict of scientific gases which so happened to cross each other and KA-BOOM, or some invisible magic man?"

Religoun is jsut a storybook taken to far... Meh "Closes shutters for Religous retar*s sending me hate mail"